Latvian WtE nest webcamera Juras-erglis: Discussions

[ame]

i'm not quite sure if i understand what you wanted to say..?
did you mean that Robert seems to be afraid of the Bride? and because of this fear he acted brutally towards the Bride (kicked her) and also yelled at her.

i think that the calls were a love song and i also believe that the kicking was a sign of love. (actually we have such a saying in Finnish: "it's love that makes even a donkey kick.", meaning that sometimes the expressions of love are not always positive)... or was it a horse? .... it was a horse, not a donkey.

eagle love is so strange in our human eyes.

[sova]

all right, Ame .... I did not mean necessarily fear but uncertainty ..
thank you

[Marfo]

The images of the camera are so much better now, clear and sharp, it's a joy to watch the birds.
Thanks voor the videos Liz and ame!

[ame]

i have studied (again) the rules of Looduskalender about posting pictures here:
viewtopic.php?p=71#p71

Posting images, screen captures, etc.

Please restrict picture sizes to not greater than 800 x 600 pixels, except on special topics which are indicated.
Please do not add more than 5 pictures to one post, preferably restrict it to 3 pictures and one video or add links to the pictures.

as you can see there is nothing else about the pictures other than the size limit and number limit per post. the is no mention about any limits in numbers of posts.

we should also remember that many our members don't have good English skills. translating a lot of text with for example GT may be too laborious. for those members the pictures may form the most entertaining part of the forum.

there is also a few words about suitable conduct in the forum in the end of Jo's post.

When you joined this forum, you agreed to refrain from insulting, hostile or inflammatory posts. A member who offends against our requirement for a decent, sociable atmosphere will be banned

although it is not explicitly mentioned in the rules i think that maintaining "a decent and sociable atmosphere" also quite naturally includes the idea of not making posts which spread bad mood, annoyance or resentment or any other form of negative energy to the forum.
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[Liz01]

i have studied (again) the rules of Looduskalender about posting pictures here:

Thanks Ame, for remembering.

[ame]

i have been increasingly puzzled about the two eagles whom we have been watching here in the past days. something has not been right... neither of them have had the fluffy white collar which Robert used to had. also the clear triangle has been absent in their tails. instead there have been extra black stripes on the outer edges of the tails, like this:


this is not Robert's tail even though the spots in the middle of the tail might form his triangle. there is too much black on the white on the side. the other eagle's tail is even 'worse': it has too big centre spots and these side-black's, too.

so i started to look back on the pictures and videos to see when is the last time that we have certainly seen Robert here for the last time. this is the last certain picture of Robert which i have found so far. it's taken a week ago at 9:46 on Feb 22.


here's a Pontu clip of Robert's last sighting with Bride. at one point one can also clearly see that Robert limps his foot.


i also think that aita was quite right here after all: neither of the birds was Robert.
viewtopic.php?p=441963#p441963
i even made a slow-motion video of the two eagles changing places but i still didn't see what i saw now when i took pictures frame-by-frame of the same change. now at last i can see that neither of these two was Robert.


there was the confusion on Feb 18th. there was a female who kicked out two different males from the nest within one minute: a strange male first and then Robert. perhaps that was not Bride? anyway she didn't like either of the males.

also on the following days there was some extra excitement on and around the nest. i have asked what Janis thinks about all this. quite apparently there was something more going on than i originally thought. anyway i think that we have lost also Robert. so far i have no idea who is the female with the new male: Bride or someone else. maybe Bride took a younger husband.

one thing seems rather certain to me now: we have a new couple of eagles occupying the nest. Robert has gone, too.

[Trine]

there was the confusion on Feb 18th. there was a female who kicked out two different males from the nest within one minute: a strange male first and then Robert. perhaps that was not Bride? anyway she didn't like either of the males.

also on the following days there was some extra excitement on and around the nest. i have asked what Janis thinks about all this. quite apparently there was something more going on than i originally thought. anyway i think that we have lost also Robert. so far i have no idea who is the female with the new male: Bride or someone else. maybe Bride took a younger husband.

one thing seems rather certain to me now: we have a new couple of eagles occupying the nest. Robert has gone, too.

Yeah, Ame... It is complicated.

[sova]

I am still relatively new to this forum . But I have the last all season Durbe and Robert observed .
Tried with few questions to direct here in the forum on the situation , what they now describe Ame .
Had often the * feel * that is on the nest not Robert .
So that, I had very often the idea that both Adler ( Durbe and Robert ) away .
Only , I can prove with nothing , have no evidence ! So the , I have the experience not what they have ... .just feel ( I watch a lot of the heart ) . So , there are only my thoughts , feeling ... no stable thesis .

[ame]

i have today gone through my archive, looking through masses of pictures which i have taken earlier and taken a lot of more pictures and uploaded them in my Bucket album. i found out for example that the B l o o d y Bride was someone else than the recent visitors today and yesterday.

now i feel like images of dozens of different tails are flickering past my eyes.... i hope i shall not dream about tails. i think that someone else may continue now. i need to do something for a change.

my Juras-Erglis Bucket albums are public so if anyone is interested then you are welcome to have a look there:
http://s561.photobucket.com/user/anmael ... t=3&page=1
i'll log out from there and try if i can navigate there as a visitor. -yes, it should be ok. click on an album to open it down in the directory tree. clicking on a thumbnail of a certain picture will open the picture. then you can open the next, previous or click back to the album.

[Liz01]

Ame, I would like to see the pictures, but I have not enough time!

If at the nest a new pair, I do not understand their behavior.
They should still prepare the nest? but they do not! At least, not as it would normally.

BTW: I ask myself, how could it be, that the foot of Robert "overnight" was healed.
it did not seem normal to me. Someone said that "Robert" still lagging and protects his leg.
I could not see it. But I may be wrong, so I said nothing.

I do not like what is fact now. It means Robert lost Durbe, his nest and hunting ground

[ame]

perhaps the new pair is a bit too young. they have a lot of black on their tail. also their plumages look rather brownish to me, at least compared to Robert. he was very blond, also Durbe. and maybe the new couple is getting synchronized? i read in Fischer's book yesterday that a new young couple spend a lot of time in courtship, in flights which we cannot see, and singing a lot together which we have heard.

anyway this situation became too difficult to me. i cannot read the plumages other than tail feathers and even that is too much for me. i stop. - i actually lost my interest already when it became clear that Durbe isn't with us anymore. my interest is in couples where at least one partner wears rings. i need positive identification, without any doubt.

now the last drop of my special interest is gone as it seems that also Robert is gone. i simply can't manage with un-ringed eagles. i shall not struggle with them any more. i'll just enjoy watching what will come next.

[sova]

Allow me please one more question ; there is the possibility that both Adler ( Durbe and Rober ) are expelled from their Teritorium but not dead ???

[ame]

of course it is possible.

but i guess it is the least likely thing to happen though. together the resident pair is very strong. if the other is gone the remaining spouse is much weaker.

[Grieta]

Good evening.
I am Verotaja from DD forum, here I am Grieta

I've watched all videos, eagles are very similar tail mark and it can not be used for identification.
The only objective difference is that the female ends of the tail feathers are dark (black) and 4 feather from the left have black stripe.





Robert tail feathers are fully white ends.

This is not male Robert tail. (image down)

Please watch videos. Can see that this first feathers from the right side is with black end. So this eagle can never to be Robert!
I have not a full picture of this eagle's tail feathers from the left side, but I think rather it is a female.

[Grieta]

In my opinion this is one and the same tail - female tail

(the second bird in nest)

[Grieta]

Perhaps I'm wrong hard, but now those are my thoughts. My opinion that lately in LK change places male and female
My modest opinion about Robert's tail - it is triangular shaped.
For example, in this video the first departing female. In some shots can see the black stripe on the left side of the tail. Roberts stays.

Robert in nest (his tail is a little dirty)


Roberts tail in this video


Roberts tail 2015

Picture from ame"s album http://s561.photobucket.com/user/anmael ... ort=3&o=43

[ame]

good morning!
so Grieta/Verotaja, do you think that Robert is one of the eagles staying on the nest?
i think that in this picture there are extra black stripes in the tail which don't belong to Robert's tail.


i think this is the same eagle with the tail wide open. this is the one whom we called Bride. she was with Robert first.


i am a little doubtful about tiny spots in the ends of tail feathers they may be dirt and vanish. the tips should be quite white on adults.

i think i haven't seen Robert's tail after Feb 22nd as wrote above. that is the last time when the limping eagle with (nearly) white breast feathers and triangular tailspot was here. i don't think that the male on Feb 28th was Robert anymore.

[Grieta]

i think this is the same eagle with the tail wide open. this is the one whom we called Bride. she was with Robert first.

ame, it is Robert's tail.

Photo made on February 15, 15:41. Remember this situation?

You wrote in DD

i interpret the situation so that a young eagle (clearly; look at the tail) is in the nest. Robert lands on the branch, calls loud (he does not sit there quiet! ). then his new bride makes a blitz attack on the young eagle and sweeps it out of the nest in a split-second. Robert stays in the nest. this is how i saw the situation.
/ i interpretēt situāciju tā, ka jaunais ērglis (skaidri, apskatīt astes) ir ligzdu. Robert nolaižas uz filiāle aicina skaļi (viņš nav tur sēdēt klusu!). tad viņa jaunā līgava padara Blitz uzbrukumu jauniešu ērglis un frekvences to no ligzdo split-sekundē. Robert paliek ligzdā. tas ir, kā es redzēju situāciju.

i think it is necessary to watch also the video. the gif is not enough.
/ Es domāju, ka tas ir nepieciešams, lai noskatītos arī video. GIF nepietiek.

This tail is thees eagle who is staying in the nest and then flew on the branch. This is Robert.




By contrast, the famale (with a black stripe on the tail) at the bottom are not big dark feathers mark

[ame]

i have changed my opinion of this identification. i was probably wrong then. sorry that i made confusion like this.

here i have marked the details which make me think that this is not Robert. on the base of the tail there is black colour stretching down over the white, forming a 'comb-like' pattern (yellow ellipses). the centre spots are symmetrical (red ellipse).


in Robert's tail the division of black/dark and white is sharp in the base of the tail. also the centre spot is a little a-symmetrical: the left side is bigger than the right.
now when i tried to look for a suitable picture for comparison i found this and i see that there is not such a sharp division of black and white as i wrote first.
does the black colour stretch lower in the above picture? maybe they are new feathers with less wear than in the lower picture which is taken on Apr 25.
but the centre spot is more asymmetrical than in the above picture. to me the upper bird looks lee robert than the real Robert below.
... this is too difficult. i'm not sure of anything anymore. is it the same eagle or not? i don't even know how stable there patterns in the tail are on adult eagles...


here's another example of Robert on Apr 27:


how about Robert's injury then?
i don't think we have seen a limping eagle on the nest since Feb 22, have we? then he was still clearly limping. an injury like that doesn't heel quite overnight.

edit: i watched the video in your quote, Grieta. this male who got up to the branch did not limp. when did Robert first have the injured foot? i forgot.

and another thing which i forgot: besides transient dirt the tiny dark spots and stripes in the tips of tail feathers may be remnants of the dark edges which young eagles have in their tail before the tail becomes pure white (with the exception of the centre spots).

[Grieta]

edit: i watched the video in your quote, Grieta. this male who got up to the branch did not limp. when did Robert first have the injured foot? i forgot.

Robert with injured leg for the first time seen on February, 1-st about 14.oo

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